Friday, January 30, 2009

Honestly?

UPDATE: But wait, there's more! Scroll to the bottom of this post for the latest. We will continue to add if and when more trickle in.

We're kind of enjoying the silence. (Well, I guess we could comment on Mary's inane posts about getting great deals in the "ghetto" and the falling of "dominos," but really, it just seems tedious now.) It's sort of our dream; the Trio of Banality ceases posting. In fact, we're not sure how regularly we can keep up with them--it's a little soul-killing. (Don't worry, we're not going anywhere, but you may see changes...)

Anyway, the "fans" themselves are starting to turn. Even SuperFan Sheryl (BTW, Sheryl--why did you delete your comment from here? UPDATED: Nevermind. Err, um...oops?), as evidenced by her comment today at the QOD:

THANK YOU, Caryn P.!

Sorry ladies---I've been your biggest supporter from day one, but this site is officially a joke now.

Who are you kidding anymore? When even your longtime fans like me are left disilliusioned and befuddled, it's time to perhaps consider perhaps throwing in the towel already and admitting defeat.

I'm sure one of you will come in here and delete this comment along with all these others, of course. As usual. Just delete constructive criticism and continue to put your heads in the sand then; just business as usual, right? The heck with what us lowly readers dare think!

And that's one of the main reasons you don't have any of your real readers at your site anymore: you don't value your readers' thoughts or their input. Sorry, but you very obviously don't. If you did, you'd at least offer a public forum beyond the whole "just e-mail us" excuse. And this is why this once promising site has turned into a complete failure.

THAT, and the pitiful lack of content. This is not "lifecasting"---this is a ship that's sinking faster than the Titanic. And your additional failure to address this is all the more reason for your longtime readers to give up on this site entirely. Although in all fairness, I think most of your stats will be due to people stopping by to see how this trainwreck eventually ends.

Julia says you don't believe in allowing anonymous comments, but I really think it's because you all are too scared to allow that third (sic) wall to be broken, and most of us are finally on to why that may be so.

And if "live differently" means going to exotic locales, monumental events and glam parties the rest of us only dream of visiting or attending, only to see the same tired ol' interchangeable vampy photos of you guys that could've been taken anywhere, then consider me officially off the NS lovetrain.

Gals, I think you're all still great and I wish you all well in your future endeavors. But honestly, this place sucks now. Your complete embracement of frivolity in place of interesting social commentary and welcoming your readers, folks you so desperately need here, has come back to bite you in the butts, unfortunately.

She's thanking commenter Caryn, by the way, who wrote this:

I have been visiting this site for a couple of months now. I used to think the nasty commenters had no point. Some don't; it's true. However, others do express some valid concerns.

Mine? I think the content has become more and more weak. There is nothing to see or read or think about here. Why can't you three just answer the question everyone is asking?

"What is going on with NonSociety?"

If you admitted your mistakes, then you'd be percieved as human and honest. You cover them up by not mentioning things. Obviously, you have to see that people do not appreciate that -- especially readers like me...those you want to stay.

Another one bites the dust.
Caryn P., Brooklyn


And a few more fans chime in. See below.

From Former Fan:

Sheryl, I have been following this site for as long as you have and I have appreciated your thoughtful comments, as well as the fact that you don't comment anonymously. I think that you have articulated many of the things that former fans have been thinking and they should really be ashamed that they lost you as a fan, because you seemed to be their biggest cheerleader.

At this point, I do not think there is anything they can do to improve or change. They should just shut the website down and move on with their lives in whatever way they can. It is impossible to regain the trust and respect of your readers when you have treated them so badly.

From Carrie:

I, too, have been a loyal reader and supporter, but this is all beginning to be a little embarrassing to witness. The blogging content is trivial, at best. Julia is obsessed with herself - how many pictures do you have to post of yourself in the same pose? How is that revolutionary, or "living differently" as she claims? It's more of the same, to me. I hate to be negative, but I couldn't keep quiet any longer. You've lost me, along with several of my friends who also read your blog. Good luck with future endeavors. It's too late for your current pursuit.

From Sarah:

OK. I don't even visit the Question page because of the commenters and their filthy words. But there is no other place to go and I would like to say one thing.

Please, girls, out of kindness and respect, do not give us excuses. We want explanations.

I, personally, do not want to hear about the wifi difficulties or how busy you are behind-the-scenes. I want to know that your lack of coverage -- non-coverage -- of Julia's DLD presentation, CES, Davos, etc. was because you do not care.

I'm an intelligent person, too, and I can only think that we (those who are/were loyal readers) aren't really that important.

It's only then that I will know that you three are real.

Sarah

And we just kinda liked this one:

Seriously? You guys are just baiting the haters now.

If you guys want to control the comment situation, why don't you require people to register before commenting? Or mod the comments before they are posted? It seems like you guys haven't thought this through. Let this be a lesson to any future investors or advertisers of NS: THESE GIRLS ARE CLUELESS AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE DOING.





From Gemma:

Like Sheryl I've been around for a while and like Carrie this is becoming embarassing. Did you girls learn nothing from CES? You were at DLD and now at Davos and nothing? It is history repeating itself with just the excuse being different. Personally I'm not buying the lack of wireless, how on earth is everyone else managing if there is some sort of wireless blackout? Julia and Meghan you even posted about a great coffee shop that had wireless, why haven't you gone back there? Write up articles on your laptops as and when, then upload them quickly over a coffee? Failing that even an occasional twitter would suffice. I assume there is mobile/cell coverage in Switzerland!

How on earth can it be life casting when there one, doesn't seem to be any casting and two, your life consists of these amazing oportunities that we hear nothing about. All I can assume is that you, Julia and Meghan are snoozing through while occasionally getting up to pose at a party. What on earth do all these influential people you are meeting think when they see your site? That is asuming you've made enough of an impression to get them to that stage. It's incomparable to the things they are doing. And not in a good way.

Disapointing, just really disapointing. And that is even without getting into the Charlise situation. Seriously? Requesting she shut her tumblrs down at best, forcing them shut at worst! What on earth happened to keeping it real?

As others have said I assume this will be deleted but I think you ladies really need to take a step back, breathe and think about where you want to go from here.


Krista adds:

Here we go! This is kind of rewarding in some weird way. I don't like how you talk about upcoming events and then they disappear. Example? Julia's talk in Germany. Why wasn't a link posted at the least? Why didn't you share your thoughts about it, Julia? You said this is all an experiment. Nonetheless, it seems as though you withhold more than you *put out there*. So, where's the experimentation then? You used to write more and you used to...kind of...follow through with your thoughts. Now, it seems as though anything and everything you do is just for show. There's no real heart behind your posts on spirituality and whatever else. On top of everything, you lost me at the inauguration. This feels good to say! You want a community here, right? Well, this is how a community breaks up. Your inauguration coverage was akin to an SNL skit. The girl who gets to see history and, instead, just blogs about herself, her coat, her camera photos, the names of people she poses with, and the traffic.

Sorry to be so frank. My name is Krista and I am at work now in Hoboken, NJ. My boss is at a meeting. I'm 24 and different from YOU.


Grant says:

Hi everyone. This is my first time commenting on this site but I thought I would let you know that the "wifi blackout" excuse for the lack of Davos coverage is complete hogwash. I have some friends covering at Davos and they say that they have not been having any problem. Similarly, there hasn't been any mention of any problem in any of the major news services. Julia and Meghan are either lying or staying far far away from the event.

I used to have a love-to-hate relationship with this site but now you girls are just boring liars who obviously don't care about your readers. I understand you guys are having a tough time what with Mary getting torn apart by every major blog in the past week, but honesty and access were the two most appealing things about this blog. Now everything seems like a sham.

Hope to see you after the recession, Julia, but that is looking less and less likely.


Remember Jessalyn? She adds:

Another former fan here. I posted my comment below at TMI but got blown off by Mary with excuses of how much hard work goes on behind the scenes, so I will repost here and add my two cents as to why you have lost many, many fans:

We're not some sad Internet trolls - we're wives, mothers, career women, friends and volunteers. We take offense that you reinforce some very damaging and negative stereotypes here and on your blogs. You want to be taken seriously but when you get any heat for the things you say, you tell people to "lighten up" it's just "fluffy entertainment." We're former fans that have been let down by your once promising web business. You had and continue to have amazing access and opportunities yet you squander them for spectacle. You make a mockery of other female web entrepreneurs. You promised a message of "living differently" but you continue to perpetuate a sad stereotype. You make excuses and don't fulfill your promises. You squash and block out negative feedback instead of listening to the people who care enough to comment or raise the level of discourse. You had so much promise and now you're a sad Internet joke. Is that what you set out to do? Is this what you want to be? Are you accomplishing the goals you set out to accomplish when you launched your venture?


Sheryl makes a bet:

Who wants to take a bet on how soon this is all deleted? Seriously, I'm betting 10 dollars that by the time 12 ET rolls around, someone will delete ALL of this, either one of the gals deletes this or one of their various unpaid lackies. What you gals did to that Charlsie girl was dispicible, by the way. I think you officially lost me right after news of her mysteriously deleted tumblr account surfaced.

"Live differently", eh? More like "Live as Though Mistakes Don't Exist Upon Deletion". Hooray!

DELETE THIS!


Ed. note: Actually, we doubt that, Sheryl. We think they're going to try to prove everyone wrong this time. For serious.

And even "Tina Brown" chimes in:

The funny thing about us over here at The Daily Beast, Julia, is that our writers actually write about things. Even me. My website isn't just endless pictures of me with all the famous people I actually know (as apposed to stalking "names" at parties I've crashed without an invite and snapping a quick picture before they realize what's happening or who you are).

It's truly shameful the mockery you make of hard working young women everywhere. You are flown here and there as some kind of representative of someone or other (press pass at CES for example) and you so blatantly squander those opportunities. Here you are with a front row seat to some very interesting events and people and how do you share your good fortune? By posting kissy faced pictures of yourself. "Hey everybody, look at me! My boobs are about to fall out of this dress and I've just met and am hanging all over Chad Hurley! I jumped up and down when I met him!!"

You were kicked out of Airianna's sphere (and then had the unmitigated GALL to crash her inaguration ball), you were kicked out of Bonnie Fuller's little world, and for the record, you'll never step one foot in mine. Dream on little pink bunny, there's no place for you in any self-respecting organization.


Brooke:

Thank you Jessalyn!!!

The ladies of NS are flushing each and every one of their opportunities down the toilet. Do you girls have any idea how painful the demise of this site is to watch? All three of you are blessed with the privilege and opportunity to not have to work 9-5 jobs like the rest of us "loyal" readers. You don't have to check your account balance before splurging at H&M or gasp, meeting up with friends to go see a movie. You don't have to worry that you're about to be laid off. It is quite frankly disgusting and pitiful to watch you ladies piss away a chance at success that most people would die to have. And for what reason? More and more, it's seeming like sheer narcissism and laziness.


Kristen:

Another former fan. At first I defended NS because I guess I admired the spunk.

From the start, "live differently" rubbed me wrong. In fact I even wrote to the girls suggesting that instead of trying to point out how different they are from what else is out there, they go on their real strength: that it IS NOT DIFFERENT at all. Which is fine!

There are thousands of popular sites and TV shows about shopping, and shallow dating cliches. I don't mean that as an insult. Lots of people, including me, like to indulge in that stuff to relax.

Why not just accept what they were doing?

Instead it turned into such a weird emperor with no clothes situation. Constantly telling us how very hard they work and all the exciting things coming up.

But the content is just the same shallow shoppin' and datin.'

Meghan's ned as well. Never seemed techie at all to me, just gadget SHOPPING.

Again this would all be fine if they owned up to it, but we get hundreds of pages of hand on hip and kissy face. They might as well be at the portrait studio with backdrops of different locale.

All that said. They lost me at "Roe Vs. Wade."

I won't be back.

38 comments:

  1. from our new friend (on "This is getting boring" post):

    Sheryl said...
    It's official---I am DONE with Nonsociety. I refuse to give those greedy gals anymore hits from my end. Not that there's anything there to look at anyway, of course((wow, Julia went a whole day without posting anything? Mind boggling!)). Thanks for offering this feature, here folks...

    P.S. I just saw where someone here back a few posts compared MY blog to Julia's??? I assure you, even though I used to like the gal, I am absolutely nothing like her, nor do I ever aspire to be. I blog about going to various events and parties and whatnot too, but I'd like to think I have way more to say and ponder upon blogwise than just how seductive I can make myself look while posing with other women's husbands! And also, when *I* travel to various locales, I actually embrace the local culture beyond just trips to Burger King and shopping for moon boots. Sheesh.

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  2. That doesn't read like Sheryl's other posts to be honest.

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  3. Sheryl, I have been following this site for as long as you have and I have appreciated your thoughtful comments, as well as the fact that you don't comment anonymously. I think that you have articulated many of the things that former fans have been thinking and they should really be ashamed that they lost you as a fan, because you seemed to be their biggest cheerleader.

    At this point, I do not think there is anything they can do to improve or change. They should just shut the website down and move on with their lives in whatever way they can. It is impossible to regain the trust and respect of your readers when you have treated them so badly.

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  4. Well, we know she's still in Davos, partying it up. http://gawker.com/5142727/nouriel-roubini-partying-with-intellectual-peers

    Interesting how OTHER people have internet access.

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  5. Heh. Just saw this posted on the QotD:

    "Ding Dongs

    Seriously? You guys are just baiting the haters now.

    If you guys want to control the comment situation, why don't you require people to register before commenting? Or mod the comments before they are posted? It seems like you guys haven't thought this through. Let this be a lesson to any future investors or advertisers of NS: THESE GIRLS ARE CLUELESS AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE DOING."

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  6. It's a wrap!

    --ShyGirl

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  7. that explains why Mary twittered "Another one bites the dust"

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  8. Hey cool! Never thought I'd start posting here...let alone reading my words on RBNS, but hey, another one bites the dust indeed, folks. You all have effectively drawn me to the darkside here, I'm afraid---I'm embarrassed to have supported these gals' enlarged egos for as long as I did, quite honestly. Yep, "Live differently", my left buttcheek!

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  9. Welcome, Sheryl! I'm so glad that you've seen the light on this joke of a business. You're a smart woman and from the few times I've peeked in your blog, you seem to be actually doing what they claim to do.

    I always liked you and never went after you on QotD, as I have with others.

    Don't feel bad about being conned by these women - major companies (Cisco, Kodak) and organizations (DLD) have been duped as well.

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  10. Think I maybe getting sucked in over here too Sheryl!

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  11. Gossip Girl here. The loyal readers of NonSociety are commenting up a storm on Question of the Day. Any sweet words of affection? Not anymore. What will the Bunnies do now? Better follow Queen B; she knows a thing or two about revolting personalities.

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  12. Time to set our sites on that crap deodorant they're shilling.

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  13. How did Julia e-mail Scary if they have no internet access?

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  14. Of course there is internet access! How on earth do you think all the journalists are managing to upload? Plus there must be mobile signature because Gordon Brown, British Prime Minister, was interupted during his speech by his moblie/cell. It's all an excuse. I'm sure they are jet lagged, I am sure it is over whelming for the two of them but really there is no excuse for the complete black out the two of them seem to have imposed on themselves.

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  15. I meant mobile signal not signature! DOH!

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  16. Welcome Sheryl! And this isn't the "dark" side - Nonsociety is. A lot of people here have been shedding some much needed "light" on some of their shady business practices, disrespect for readers and lame excuses. It will be very interesting to see if they delete some of these comments above on QotD. The snark is over. The mean, petty comments are over. Now people just want to know what the hell is going on, but I really don't thin they'll even address or admit their many failures. Remember the sorry excuses after CES? If they do address their readers, it will probably just be more of the same stale excuses. As this point, I don't think there is anything they can do to win readers over. They need to shut it down completely and move on.

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  17. The live webcast of The Next Digital Experience with Mark Zuckerberg, Chad Hurley, et al at Davos just ended. And where is Our Lady of Introspection? Not a word to even acknowledge that the session was occurring, even though MANY others have twittered througout.

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  18. Oh the irony!
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/davos/7861090.stm

    "Others misunderstand social media and try to take control of them. For example, they run sanitised and boring corporate blogs, from which critical customer comments are purged.

    Unsurprisingly, an Edelman study found that corporate blogs have the lowest credibility of all content on the internet. "

    One of the topics under discussion at Davos is the use of social media for companies. Think Julia and Meghan are taking notes? Far from living differently they seem to have much in common with "sanitised and boring corporate blogs"

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  19. Can't wait to see how they're going to attempt to spin this one.

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  20. GossipGirl,

    So clever! ROFL!
    She's so trying to be Blair...idiot.

    Lulu

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  21. I think the best thing for NS and its contributors is to move on, and move away. Julia should move back to Chicago and do some serious soul searching. Her blind ambition has brought her to a dead end, and I think she's starting to realize that NS is not what she wanted...umm, ever. So, na-na-na-na-goodbye-and-all-that, Jules!

    Meghan should also consider a move. Being as attractive as she is, she can probably continue to flounce in and out of the tech world - only being accepted because her beauty is an obviously novelty.

    Mary, too, should be released from the New York reins. This girl obviously prefers LA, so she should live (differently) THERE! I don't know what she could do, as she seems to be the only one who doesn't absolutely abhor blogging...but she'll figure it out!

    If the ladies move on, mark NS as what it is -- a failure -- and do some thinking, they can move on from this. I have the faith.

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  22. HA -- she just posted this (Julia):
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    INTERNET!!!!!!

    How I’ve missed you. We haven’t had access in two days, and we’ll have spotty access until we get home on Sunday, so excuse us for our intermittent updates until then.

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  23. "One of the topics under discussion at Davos is the use of social media for companies. Think Julia and Meghan are taking notes? Far from living differently they seem to have much in common with "sanitised and boring corporate blogs""

    Gemma, they're not actually AT the conference. They're in the town (or is it city?), but they don't have enough pull to get into the actual conference. That's why all we've seen are pictures of them drinking coffee, of them trying on boots and from their hotel window. Then they use the faux lack of wifi to explain their lack of posting.

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  24. It is so obvious when you think it about it logically NonEntity! :o)

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  25. Anon @ 11:35,

    Ambition is not a bad thing, and is often an admirable quality in people. But it's TO WHAT an individual applies that ambition that makes the difference. Julia isn't a dumb woman, but her only apparent ambition is to be rich and famous, but with "no there there."

    She doesn't want to actually WORK at anything, other than being herself. Her writing is simplistic and uninteresting, and she really does seem to believe that she should be famous for BEING JULIA.

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  26. Gemma, once you watch them for a bit with a cynical eye, it's quite easy to deconstruct the bullshit.

    Welcome to the party!

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  27. I'm starting to think they went to Davos with the intention of winking their way into the conference, and have failed.

    Hence the excuses.

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  28. @NonEntity

    I do understand the whole "ambition" business, which is why I referred to Julia's as being blind. Blind ambition is not an admirable quality, nor is it an advantageous attribute to attain.

    Julia's still relatively young. She could reevaluate things, harness her ambition and, perhaps, do something noteworthy. Time will tell.

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  29. What Julia? No new pictures of you draping yourself over Chad Hurley? You've been stalking him since you pulled your jumping up and down fangirl routine at the Google party. I bet he refuses to leave his hotel room in Davos unless the people he plans to meet swear to sign a "do not disclose location to Julia Allison Baugher" agreement.

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  30. NonEntity,

    That could totally be true. But you know what a real journalist (or even an innovative person who wanted to ) would do in that case, after flying all the way out there? Check out other people's coverage and comment on that. The complete lack of work ethic and responsibility is astounding.

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  31. As I noted in another post, yes, they thought they could scam their way into Davos.

    But, this isn't CES, or a party hosted by the Huffington Post, or a SATC premiere on DVD event.

    This is DAVOS.

    Too many really key people attend. Security will be tight, even for the douchey pink lady. She can't scam her way into the conference, just the periphery locations.

    Expect more pictures from the public shuttle infrastructure. Great content girls.

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  32. "She doesn't want to actually WORK at anything, other than being herself. Her writing is simplistic and uninteresting, and she really does seem to believe that she should be famous for BEING JULIA."

    Thanks, NonEntity. That's exactly it.

    And that is exactly why the content will never improve IMO. Because the whole venture is based on the above premise and they truly seem to believe that that's all it takes and should take for people to be and stay interested in their content.

    The self absorption and self obsession seems to be clouding theirs brains to the point where they seem to think everyone else is and/or should be equally enamored and fascinated by "what they had for lunch, what they wore, and where they went this evening" (to quote that video JA showed at DLD) as they themselves are.

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  33. All true, Jane. A real journalist who couldn't get in to the actual conference at Davos would at least try to meet key people and use her charm to find out the kind of stuff that her readers would want to know.

    A faux journalist would spend all day working on pursing her lips, applying her makeup, dressing like an old lady who's deluded herself into believing that she's in the cast of "Gossip Girls," go to parties and hop into quick photos with VIPs. She would then post said photos and proudly crow about her journalistic skills.

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  34. Exactly, Ineff. She was probably banking on hitching a ride on the trend of nobodies becoming reality TV stars. But there isn't anything interesting enough and her personality is just not likable enough for that to happen.

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  35. Or gin up a self righteous "explanation" about how all her important conversations with important people were off the record, and how she couldn't post her usual gauche paparazzi-ish shots because it would be so gauche and inappropriate to do so at Davos. Logic like a sieve, that Julia.

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  36. I cannot get over how these girls went to DLD and Davos, and all they have are nice pictures uploaded. They lie about having internet access, but obviously, they have it ... they just choose not to use their blog for anything except vapid pictures (kinda how Mary chooses to use botox under the rights of Roe v. Wade, right?).

    Interns blog says she leaves tomorrow. I hope she goes back to wherever she lives and writes about everything. Dirt of NonSociety and all. I think she knows something, which is why the one with the shoulders told her to take it down. Don't they endorse people having blogs? Isn't it about living differently?

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  37. Can everything just be reposted on this site, so we don't even have to visit the actual site?

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