Wednesday, February 11, 2009

UPDATED: Ooooohhh Snap! Mary Fights Back!

We've got ourselves another frenemy skirmish, kids!

Here's Mary's latest Twitter:

"heaven forbid we actually step outside of the "looks good on camera" mommy wardrobe and actually try to have style"


UPDATE: She is continuing to Twitter, hurt and mad, as I type this.

  1. I can't sleep I'm so mad
  2. Photo: juliaallison: I guess I can’t win. I tried to step outside of the solid, bold-colored ...


Indeed, Mary is reacting to JA's post (which I believe was backdated, I did not notice it earlier today, but I could be wrong):


This was our second look of the day, also pulled by Mary. I have to be honest, I wasn’t thrilled with this look, either.  It was just an off-day in general, wardrobe-wise.  And otherwise.

This was our second look of the day, also pulled by Mary.

I have to be honest, I wasn’t thrilled with this look, either. It was just an off-day in general, wardrobe-wise. And otherwise.

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"Mommy Wardrobe!" Awesome!

Mary?? If you're reading this? RUN! RUN AWAY!!! She is NOT a friend to you!

148 comments:

  1. YES. I love it when they argue. Dissention among the ranks!

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  2. Dissension. Sorry. Had a little Rambin moment there.

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  3. That's really too bad because I think Mary did a good job choosing "different" style in this picture. I was getting really tired of seeing the one bright bold color that Julia tends to prefer (ie the Valentine's Day lip dub video).

    JA's probably just pissed because they don't look like 5 year olds who got into their mom's closet for once. And she's not the "hottest" looking one.

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  4. JA's pissed off because the ONLY look she feels she can pull off anymore is the June Cleaver A-line dress or skirt. So rather than dealing with her own issues, and to take some responsibility for why she feels that way, she blames Mary.

    Vintage JA. It's everyone else's fault.

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  5. It's the equivalent of bringing in a picture of Gwyneth Paltrow to your hairdresser and being upset you don't walk away with Chris Martin on your arm and an Apple in a baby carriage.

    The WOMAN makes the clothes, Cupcake. NOT the other way around.

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  6. and, by the way, the clothes mary pulled are fantastic. they're coordinated but not matchy-matchy, daring but wearable, and i think mary actually considered julia's and meghan's style when she picked these things up. she put meghan in the kind of a short, boxy shift she favors and julia in a low cut, fitted top paired with a knee-length (thigh-hiding) pencil skirt. that's pretty thoughtful.

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  7. Also, Mary says, "My mistake if you are unhappy Jules. Feel free to always change. I just bring the clothes as a fun suggetion [sic]."

    Feel free to always change, Julia. Feel free to always change.

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  8. Well, Julia Allison, try ditching that sorry yellow hairband for starters. Sheesh.

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  9. Of course, this "fight" may all be for stunty show. Who the hell knows with these dames? Too funny.

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  10. Really, Mary needs to break free. This is getting almost abusive, the way JA constantly publicly humiliates her. If she can just embrace the side part, she'll be way more successful than JA anyway. JA is done.

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  11. I think if their guest had not shown up in a seriously clashy maroon print, the 3 outfits Mary chose would have looked good together.

    Julia really is a caricature. Of what I do not know.

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  12. I LOVE Mary. She at least has the balls to try and try and try. TEAM MARY all over again.

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  13. Wow, poor Mary. Imagine getting dissed all over the internet by your best friend for the one thing you pride yourself on - styling clothing. I think JA looks cute - it's not like Mary put her in anything bizarre. What is her problem?

    By the way, I appreciate that people are using less cursing in the comments, thanks :)

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  14. Wow, I just went and read Mary's full post
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    12.59 am (responding to Jules)
    I guess I can’t win. I tried to step outside of the solid, bold-colored, looks-good-on-camera box, and all it got me was ridicule from my friend again.

    Not sure what else to say. I love all three outfits. But, style is a personal thing. After choosing so many of the same concept, I got a little bored and tried to branch out and include a pattern. My mistake if you are unhappy Jules. Feel free to always change. I just bring the clothes as a fun suggetion.
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    I think JA has probably gone too far this time.

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  15. Ok, just one more example of JA's clueless rudeness, this time on Twitter:

    @juliaallison The Facebook-messaging doctor SENT ME A JPG OF ODYSSEUS and signed me up for his listserv. HIS LISTSERV. Dear god.
    about 4 hours ago from web

    The poor guy! I am way too excited by this thread but surely JA has crossed the line now?

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  16. Ok I have to give major props to RBNS and the commenters. We all try to rein each other in and such, but Scary really seems to be crossing the line with her spin on Mary this time. I honestly don't think Mary was trying to sabotage JA in any way with her clothing choices - they were just DIFFERENT for once and that was great! The cleavage-y print top was very classy, yet very JA. The other dress was also fashionable, but just didn't look so good on JA sitting down (I wonder if we'll ever get to see standing up pics of these outfits? I bet they look GREAT!).

    Argh, anyway, I'm just frustrated with Scary because she is starting to really push it with the Mary hating.

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  17. I agree with Anonymous 3:09. I don't think anybody looks bad in any of the looks, and Julia actually looks better than normal.

    I think Julia may have just been having a bad day and is taking it out on Mary. It'll be interesting to see the TMI episodes when they come out, and if Julia's foul mood shows up on camera.

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  18. I like what Mary picked and I think JA's comment wasn't warranted. And I agree with anon 3:09, I don't think Mary in any way tried to sabatoge JA by choosing a bad outfit for her. In fact she chose a cleavage baring top which is pretty much the norm for JA.

    Granted the outfitt's not Pepto Bismal pink nor has an A line skirt but in general I liked Mary's choices today.

    And in any case I think they should keep their complaints about one other between themselves and out of the public eye. Posting your complaints about/to a friend and business partner on a blog for all to see instead of taking it up privately with the party involved is passive aggressive and inappropriate IMO. (Unless it's entirely a stunt for views and controversy, but somehow I don't get that feeling in this case.)

    --Ineffable

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  19. JA already deleted the second comment about the outfits. It is like she doesn't understand the internet.

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  20. Julia is merrily posting away on NS about her upcoming birthday photo shoot, apparently oblivious to the fact that Mary is so mad she can't sleep. La la la.

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  21. Mary is as sick of JA's worn-out one-note fashion sense as the rest of us, I guess. Kudos to her for trying. JA reacts in typical mature adult fashion, by pouting and sulking. Why on earth was she wearing glasses?

    To tell you the truth, my computer monitor is too small to be able to really tell what they're all wearing anyway. It's not like big screen HD, so why is it so traumatic for JA to try something new and different?

    Anony 4:43, it's JA's world, and we're all just extras and scenery, including her two BFFs.

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  22. That glaring yellow headband (and the uncoordinated guest) really knock the shot off. Otherwise, props to Mary, very nicely styled. And while I think she messed up Meghan's dress in the earlier shot, the blue dress on JA was just fine. Notice how JA posted the back shot of Mary for no reason (she pretended it was about wearing glasses and the "other side of her face but both those features were perfectly clear in the first front-on shot ... beyotch).

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  23. Did Ju-liar delete two-thirds of that iChat post with the dude who stood her up for NYE? Or did she just backdate so many other posts that it's all in different order now?

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  24. JA wants to bring back aprons. Apparently she never heard of a little place called Amazon.com. Type "apron" in the search bar, Jules, you'll think you done died and went to 50's housewife heaven. (Jessie Steele's Onyx is my personal favorite.)

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  25. look, i dont know if anyone has said this above. and apologies if so...but they know about us -- duh -- and they know people talk about them in the most minute detail...
    it's a show.

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  26. anon 6:21 --

    well, it may be so, but it's entertaining. Just as long as we dont give them page views for this, then it's ok.

    k

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  27. And this is JA's Twittered response, typically, as her friend sits and seethes about her comments:

    "Your life has been in overdrive lately, so you won't be able to slip into relaxed, pensive mode instantly." Truer words/never been written.
    about 5 hours ago from web

    Always immediately trots out the excuse. And REALLY, Jules? Your life has been in overdrive? Is that before or after you're sitting for hours in Borders reading a book you're too cheap to buy?

    Skeptique: I know Mary. This is not a stunt.

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  28. Anon 6:33: OK, it's not a stunt. JA is truly bitchin' herself into a hole. It's incredible to me that someone can be so snippy.

    Skeptique

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  29. I tend to agree. I think Mary is genuinely pissed about this...
    It's true that Jules shouldnt have posted this on the net. What are her motives????
    k

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  30. TEAM MARY!!! WE'RE WITH YOU ON THIS ONE! WOO HOO

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  31. The most bizarre thing is reading Scary Mary, who has totally twisted it around to make it sound like Mary's fault. She's actually attacking Mary for publicly ridiculing Julia.

    Uhhhh ... what? Not only did the poor woman apologize two or three times on her blog, but JA is the one who started with the public trashing and didn't even acknowledge Mary's apologies or how hurt she was.

    I am all for snark but that Scary Mary blog is totally irrational. There must be some personal motivation. To address JA and say: "I warned you about Mary" in our IM! That just seems creepy to me. You're no longer just observing now, but actively trying to cause problems between two people you've never met?

    Anyway, I'm not trying to cause a shit-storm so let's jut drop it. I just was struck and how oddly she contorted the situation to blame it all on Mary.

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  32. yeah, let's drop it. It leads nowhere. Obviously, SM has some major beef with Mary and it just doesnt make sense to the rest of us. She adds nothing. Good luck to her.

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  33. Julia would be well served to wear more black on the bottom and boldly colored tops -- **news flash** we all know what is under those ball skirts. She would also be well served to be well served somewhere and lighten the hell up. OK (psycho) bunny!

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  34. SM is entitled to her interpretation. Let's not start another war in here. I suggest if people want to raise issues with her, they should leave a comment on her blog and leave it off RBNS. That includes the blogger herself!

    Let's stay focused!

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  35. Sometimes I think they are staging all of this for attention and page views but other times I think that Julia really is that low and callous of a person. I just can't decide which. Of course, it is also incredibly low to fake a fight with a "sister" for attention, too. Whichever it is, it's truly disgusting.

    I thought her publicly trashing a boyfriend or suitor was a pretty classless thing to do, but Julia Allison Baugher takes it to a new low... publicly fighting with your supposed "sister," best friend and business partner? This girl is truly mentally disturbed.

    I can't wait for the apologies and backtracking that will surely come today after she wakes up at noon. She'll chalk it up to being just another "thing that true friends do" or "we fight like sisters because we love each other" or "we're open and honest" blah blah blah. What a load of bullsh*t. Julia is the meanest of mean girls and she exposes her shriveled little ugly insides more and more on a daily basis.

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  36. And also... let's call this what it is: fighting over some CLOTHES. My god, with everything going on, this is what consumes these women to the point of SLEEPLESSNESS? They are even more clueless, small minded and closed off than I ever assumed before.

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  37. So what organic pocorn does everyone eat when seeing such NS trends?

    Maybe NS Girls should just have a messy food fight and get over it..??

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  38. I think Mary did an awesome job styling -- I also think MR is becoming a lot savvier about presenting herself to the Internet audience, something JA hasn't been able to do.

    Kind of unrelated but: I was at an NNN party last night and while I didn't stay the entire time, none of the TMI/NS ladies were there. What means this, RBNS commenters?!?

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  39. Fashion week should be a sh*t show with these two trying to outstage each other. As Julia's own mother commented, Jankles tends to such up all the available oxygen. We'll see if Mary is willing to play along and be 2nd string. I dread to think what new embarrasment they have planned for the tends. Sorry to say but Mary looked like a total joke last year in her 6-inch heel get-up. Those shoes were walking (all over) her, not the other way around. One hopes they'll stick to stuff they can actually wear with some grace and not try to be total showboats about it. Meanwhile, god save any actual celebrity that shows up; Jankles will be one them like glue.

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  40. such = suck
    tends = tents
    one = on
    (the perils of talking on the phone and posting at the same time!)

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  41. Yeah, I think the headband sort of did the outfit in--and why is she upset? Her boobs are still front and center, as she often likes them to be. Poor Mary.

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  42. JA looks horrid in that picture. Her face! Her face! What has she DONE?

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  43. Also, I would love to style Mary's hair. Girl, leave that shit wet, throw in some product, shake it up, GO.

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  44. Team Mary. It's time Mary dumped Jackles. Mary is getting much more savvy about how to present herself. Sure, she is a dumb fuck and the Roe v. Wade thing with the botox was hideous.

    But at least Mary is not a liar. She keeps her stories straight because she is not constantly re-editing herself. She is working the hardest on NS, but i think Meghanaise comes in a second.

    All those two need is to free themselves of Jackles/Jankles and add some new people. I think the business could work, but Jackles/Jankles is the albatross around its neck.

    But it's hard to get rid of her because her profile is higher than theirs. Jackles/Jankles is ruining NS, not the other 2. Though they do need and editor and an behind the scenes brain trust pulling the strings / bringing some organization to really make it work.

    But first things first! No more Julia Baugher on the internet. Ever!

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  45. Agreed, SomeProblems, Julia is the embarrasment of this enterprise and casts the whole site into a shameful joke. But, the fact remains that while these girls may get a ton of free "stuff" to promote on their blog, they will never NEVER make any money. So, if they need to pay any bills, rent, etc. it ain't gonna work. The investors should cut their losses and bail.
    Mary I believe has real potential as an on-air style type reports, same with Megs on soft tech.
    Julia, I believe, is washed up. An over-exposed hasbeen. And it's by her own doing. She has burned bridges in media, in tech, in academia ... she would be a joke in finance or medicine ... what's left?

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  46. It seems to me that Mary has the best work ethic. Fits in with her Type A, work out hard, try and look perfect attitude. She is the only one who (even though I don't agree with a lot of what she says) goes out there and SAYS something. Puts up posts, interacts with readers positively.
    TEAM MARY.

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  47. Anon 10:10 - HA, medicine!! Don't give Julia Allison Baugher any ideas. If she actually watched TV or read a newspaper, she'd probably get jealous of all the instant publicity the octuplet mom is getting and try to hop on the baby bandwagon.

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  48. Does anyone else think that JA posts pics of dresses and crap she likes in hopes that a PR person sends it to her?
    I do.

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  49. i totally agree with all the posts that say mary is becoming better at The Game than Jankles (why are we calling her that? i think i missed a joke.)

    this is my message to mary:

    you better effing OWN fashion week. don't let JA put you down for one second. this prize is YOURS FOR THE TAKING.

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  50. Who cares what these little girls who act like piglets on my uncle Sasha's farm fight about? They angry about clothes? Who cares? I take snooze now.

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  51. Jankles= JA + Kankles

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  52. All three of them absolutely fish for free stuff by posting products they like on their site, however Julia is too stupid and selfish to realize that when you publicly trash clothing that you are borrowing from a showroom, that free and borrowed stuff will dry up FAST. Companies give bloggers free and borrowed stuff because they want positive coverage. Publicly calling their products "hideous" does not exactly make them - or other companies you're courting - ever want to work with you again.

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  53. I have an idea for JA. Just keep eating the cupcakes, honey, and then become some kind of weight loss celebrity like Marie Osmond, Valerie Bertinelli and Belinda Carlisle.

    Can't you see the ads now?

    "I used to be a New York It girl, but right when it was time for me to be on camera three times a week, I gained 25 pounds and lost my mind in the process, alienating friends, men and business partners. Nutrisystem helped me get back on track!"

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  54. Seriously.

    #1) Jankles (I still like Jackles because it also includes "cackles" -- which suits, no?) is too fucking stupid to appreciate Vivienne Westwood. By like a million times + 50.

    #2) Total agreement to Mary needing to own Fashion Week.

    TO MARY, IF YOU ARE READING:

    Throw that attention-whore, apron wearing, kissy face making, fashion no-nothing under the nearest bus that comes along and own that shit. Do not allow yourself to be photographed with her and go fucking rogue like your future depends on it. Because it does!

    ALSO, MARY -- NO MORE KISSY FACE FROM YOU EITHER. FIND A NEW SIGNATURE!

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  55. I think that Mary misfired with the Westwood outfits, but at least she took a risk and tried to do something different. And the second set of outfits look fine to me, despite Julia's obvious pouting and sulking.

    What a nasty bitch she is to publicly trash her friend, her "sister," her business partner like that! As someone else mentioned here, I can't wait to see her try to elbow Mary out of the way during Fashion Week.

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  56. I think it's great Mary wanted to try something new, but I agree with NonE - The plaids were a mistake since they were being filmed. Very distracting. Maybe have Meg in plaid in the middle and Mary and Julia in solids. Julia should not be in prints or plaids anyway. They don't flatter her. Mary and Meghan can wear prints. Julia can't.

    Yes, the totally post items on their blogs that they want for free.

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  57. What immature dolts they are. Both of them. I am not on either "team" - they are both the big losers in this ridiculous fight.

    Getting into a public bitchslapping contest and trashing a designer online the week before fashion week? Way to get yourself laughed out of the tents, ladies! If it hasn't already, I guarantee the freebies and borrowed showroom stuff will evaporate so fast it will make their heads spin after this latest childish spectacle. No PR rep or designer will ever work with them again. Fashion week will be a complete meltdown on their part.

    Mary - go back to teaching spin and boozing. Julia - go back to that mossy rock you live under. You are both immature, laughable jokes.

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  58. Julia just screwed Mary's chances to continue "pulling outfits" for their blog and many many photoshoots in their crazy different lives. Mary's "stylist" title was just a made-up self declared position anyway. Much like Meg's "geekette". They are both wannabes who think that simply by calling themselves something, that makes it so. They learned from the master though; Julia Baugher, dating columnist under an assumed name for a free alt weekly (pretty much the lowest of the low) calling herself a "journalist". That pretty much takes the fantasyland (cup)cake right there.

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  59. I'm also Team Mary. She's shown maturity and some integrity and her work ethic is admirable. Plus, I love Vivienne Westwood!

    Mary, if you're reading this -- you have a new fan (and a fellow Houstonian). You really should consider spinning off your own site. I'd come back to read it.

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  60. I like the outfits Mary picked and I'm not just saying so. Seriously, she is able to style different prints/looks well and it shows. Julia looks great in the second ensemble. What is she fussing about? It's either her way or the high way. Meaning mommy/preppy. I teach at a prep school down the road from where Julia grew up (chicago area), and JA looks like the moms. It's VERY preppy here--J. Crew, headbands, ribbons, pink/green...

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  61. Can someone please explain Julia's obsession with photoshoots? Are these just struggling photographers looking for a subject to practice with? These photos will never be anywhere except in the fantasy magazine in her own head.

    A photoshoot to commemorate your birthday? Really? Was this year really that memorable? Julia is an unemployable, lonely woman who is detached from reality. Parents stage birthday photoshoots for babies who turn one and smear icing on their faces. Add some cupcakes, ribbons, balloons and a bib (oops, I mean apron) and Julia is basically doing the same thing for herself.

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  62. This is unrelated to the subject at hand...but Julia says she's turning 28 (which I just turned, too). But for the longest time it seemed as if she had been shaving years off her age -- am I crazy?

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  63. Julia Allison may or may not be shaving years off her age but she does shave years off of her maturity as she gets older. The school girl outfits, the ME ME ME grabs for attention, the childish fights with friends, the NEVER learning from mistakes ... she shows some serious signs of regression and acts like an unstable woman-child. It's creepy.

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  64. Can someone please explain Julia's obsession with photoshoots?

    Photo shoots makes it sound like she is a model or celebrity. I guess they are "photo shoots" but they're paid for and planned by her. Or her parents. At least their not just some random blogger in a crappy room having a friend take their pictures. I laugh hysterically when bloggers try to pull that one off.

    Remember when she and the other two were courting Bravo for that reality show? Do you want to know why they had so many photo shoots?

    Because they were filing the pilot for the show and wanted to give the appearance that they were famous. No other reason than that.

    Julia's biggest downfall is her putthecartbeforethehorseitis. She was betting on that reality show happening and that's how she sold the other two girls. She also probably convinced Mary that the TV network that picked up their show would foot the bill for their apartment a la The Real World. They also assumed that having that show would give them content and give them access to great events, conferences, etc. When that fell through, they had no access to anything of importance. The reason why she had nothing about the inauguration or Davos is because she wasn't attending anything but the parties, and even those she crashed.

    I guarantee that she sold those two a BS bill of goods to get them on board with this. They didn't have a clue what they got themselves into. They didn't expect it to be as much work as it is.

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  65. Remember the lavish apartments that Julia was putting on her blog as headquarters for NonSociety (in actual fact, an apartment for her?) Meanwhile, I guess Mary piped up and said if NS/Bravo is going to pay for your apartment, I want it to pay for mine too. So suddenly Julia was looking for places where she could live with enough room for Mary too. Um ... ooops. Mary is now still broke AND homeless. Julia hasn't mentioned looking for an office/living space for a looonnngggg time.
    Burned. Now Megs has an unintended roommate and I really wonder why Mary even bothers working so hard on the blog while Julia just coasts and flys around to places to make a spectacle of herself and flash her titties at old and/or married men.

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  66. i love that the most recent comment in the "favorite recipe" section is ripped off this site: http://dinneranddessert.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/tuesdays-with-dorie-peanut-butter-torte/

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  67. But none of that Bravo reality show stuff panned out. The photoshoots and even the Nonsociety site itself were created to court the show and the show didn't happen. So now I wonder why they are even keeping the "business" running. It was a prop website to court a show/have something to talk about. But now that the show, live-work space, conferences, parties, free stuff, money and promise of fame have all COMPLETELY dried up, why are they still going? The whole things just reeks of a stinky desperation.

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  68. Hey, I'm fine with most of the stuff here (even the cursing!), but can we please not use "jankles"? I think it's really offensive and sexist. Thanks guys.

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  69. They are still going because they are under contract with TMI. I'll guess it's a 6 month contract. They are contractually obligated to produce content for NNN.

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  70. Ya, the endless photoshoots. Omg!
    "We need to get dressed up in a bunch of borrowed gowns and look gorgeous so we can post pictures of our crazy busy lives filled with photoshoots onto our blog!"
    Kinda circular no? Circular like a big zero.

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  71. Hasn't TMI Weekly caught onto the fact that these girls are terrible at producing content for their show? For example, their latest show idea is "favorite recipes," but if you look at their blog entries (on the TMI site and a recent QotD asking for dessert recipes) where they ask for recipe submissions, ALL of the submissions are obvious quick cut and paste jobs from other sites, which makes me think they posted the "reader" feedback themselves. Kind of like when Julia was caught writing reader emails to herself to manufacture sources for one of her Time Out columns. Just like the photoshoots, everything they do is a big circular loop of redundancy that adds up to ZERO.

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  72. So did Cisco ever post rest of the videos NS Girls did for digital cribs?

    Or were they equally as bad?

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  73. Scary Mary does seem oddly obsessed with Mary, particularly when it is CLEAR to any objective observer that Julia is the habitually lying, psychotic, manipulative user of the two. Mary more seems like a harmless, well-intentioned doofus. I agree with the previous person who said it must be personal.

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  74. Not to bring it back to Scary Mary but I just read her take on Westwoodgate.

    Does it strike anyone else as odd that Julia would even engage Scary Mary given how vicious SM is towards Mary? There's something wrong there.

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  75. TMI Weekly is a sinking ship. Mary pimps out links to the site in like, every other post on her blog. Their show is probably not getting the page views they promised and NNN isn't happy. That is also probably why they didn't show up to the NNN party last night that another commenter referred to earlier. They were taping yesterday so why wouldn't they? Julia has time to read books in Borders so it's not like their evening schedule is jam packed with movie premieres and glam parties. I think that NNN is probably dropping them, they're just riding out the end of their contract, have completely given up and are just being lazy. That would explain the abysmal show content/subjects lately. Recipes? Really? Cooking advice coming from girls who were just promoting liquid juice diets a few episodes ago?

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  76. Uh... SOMEBODY is trying to drive traffic/attention to Scary Mary. ZZZZZZZ

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  77. If you look at boht pictures seems one is before arguement and one right after..

    Note the change in distance between each one and the smiles are gone..

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  78. So I follow Mary on Twitter because I actually like the girl and saw her Tweets last night. So I sent her a message of support along with a bunch of other people.

    And she replied: "I appreciate your support. If only my problems stopped there."

    TROUBLE LOOMING

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  79. More MR digging at JA:

    "True intimacy with another is possible when you've cultivated true intimacy with yourself."

    Wednesday’s Quote from Kyle King

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  80. Just wondering to myself if I'll miss them when they're gone? Certainly I've gotten to the point where I cannot watch more than about 25 seconds of their videos; just too cringe inducing.
    I'd like to see Mary/Megan do something fun and not too serious. At least they seem authentic and as if they actually want to be engaged with whatever followers they have.
    Julia? It's all about her and it's really boring. Maybe she should go back to school. Get out of the (micro) public (blog) eye for a year or two and ... well, let's face it ... probably marry some poor schmuck.
    Then there will be a "Julia's Wedding and Gift Registry Blog", then "Julia's Shopping for Mansion" blog, then "Julia's Interior Decorating and Dinner Party" blog, then "Julia's Yummy Mummy" blog (except she's kinda past her stale-date for that).
    Given that NS is an unmitigated flop, I can't really foresee our party girl accomplishing a whole heck of a lot else.

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  81. Mary is winning me over! AIEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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  82. Hey, the new Cosmo is out! Can't wait to read Julia's "wife fluffer" article. Took her forever to write and so many edits, poor bunny.

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  83. What?! Not there?! Oh ... maybe next month then.

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  84. Wow, Julia is SO busy...

    She somehow finds the time to add lame definitions to urbandictionary.com.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=JuliaAllison

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  85. 1. wife fluffer
    The girlfriend before the wife / the girlfriend who prepares a guy for the woman he'll marry (who happens to be the next girl he dates)
    Alex is marrying that girl he started dating after we broke up - ugh, I really didn't want to be the Wife Fluffer to HER.

    by JuliaAllison Dec 14, 2008

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    That last sentence doesn't even make sense.

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  86. Also, when you google "wife fluffer", aside from all the porn, you get an entry from a non-JA blog, from a year before JA started crowing non-stop about wife fluffin'.

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  87. Wow. Julia has now sunk to taunting Alex and his girlfriend from the vaunted pages of Cosmo (remind me again how that career as the "next Nora Ephron" is working out) and entries on Urban Dictionary. I really thought one could not sink lower than publicly blog-fighting with your "sister" but Julia has proven me wrong in the span of less than a day. Bravo. (Oops. Sorry. Bad word choice. Is the word "bravo" as painful to you as the word "jankles" Julia?)

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  88. Hi Bunnies! Sorry to be MIA...thanks for the assistance, Jacy!

    A little bunny at Cosmo told us that JAB's wife fluffer (a term she ganked from someone else) piece got killed.

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  89. Another of Julia's (revealing) Urban Dictionary offereings:
    1. Procrastalking: To delay or postpone actual work to cyber-stalk one's crush/current/ex/soon-to-be-ex.
    eg. Yeah, I was totally procrastalking today - I had a column due, but I checked John's Facebook mini-feed 13 times! And then I bloglined him! I so have to disable my internet.

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  90. Add Jankles to Urban DictionaryFebruary 11, 2009 at 2:03 PM

    Julia Allison is constantly attempting to create cutesy new buzzwords (because she's a WRITER!!!) that really aren't that cute or clever or new. You know... new words like Jankles.

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  91. I'm not Julia. Use "bravo" all you want! I'm really fucking relieved that show got killed, because just like all their videos I'd end up watching the first ten seconds and then being in a cringe-induced coma for the rest of the day, muttering "They're just...so...LAME..." over and over. But I'm serious about "jankles." I really find it offensive. I thought commenters here were respectful of other commenters.

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  92. JA's entire world is men. Sad sad sad.

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  93. Wow...lighten up 2:05. It's funny.

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  94. I don't understand the people offended by weight comments, profanity and the word Jankles. Pause for a moment and remember what you are visiting - a site completely dedicated to judging, commenting on and otherwise tearing down three women. And you're offended by the things slung around on here? Really?

    If the webmasters would like to implement some sort of commenting policy banning certain language and topics, go for it, but I sort of feel like people can say what they want here freely because honestly - take a look at what this entire endeavor is in the first place.

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  95. 2:05:

    We heard you the first 3 times. There are dozens of people writing comments. Some will respect your wishes, some won't. You can't expect everyone to give in to you. I'd suggest choosing for yourself which is more important - reading or not - rather than try and get everyone to change for you.

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  96. Agreed. I highly suggest the moderators implement some kind of commenting policy before all this gets out of hand. Lots of inconsistency going on and it's confusing and frustrating. I also suggest moving over to Typepad or some platform that monitors IP addresses of commenters because the posting under multiple usernames in an attempt to bolster an argument is getting to be a problem.

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  97. You know, I didn't care that much before, but since someone has nothing better to do than hit refresh on this page, waiting for their tender little feelings to be wounded, I'll bite: JANKLES. Jankles, jankles, jankles.

    Also, totally TEAM MARY.

    On the other hand, if she wants to be micro-famous so bad that she'd hitch her wagon to Jankles's (oops, I did it again!) star, she's probably getting what she deserves.

    TEAM PEOPLE WHO'VE NEVER HEARD OF NS. Oh, how I wish I were a member.

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  98. So did Nick Denton get yelled at yet as he was an advisor on this NS concept

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  99. Christan,
    No way. Absolutely not. The price of having a comment-friendly blog is that some people aren't gonna like some of the things other people say.
    If you don't like some of the comments figure out a way to make that commenter look bad or feel stupid. And, if you don't mind, have a sense of humor about it. If you can't win an argument, the answer is not to make a rule that says the other side can't argue.

    Or perhaps you'd like it if we elected representatives to a committee? And that committee could draft a constitution, with by-laws, for conduct on the site? And among themselves the committee could elect an executive, who could rule which comments are kosher and which are not? And which commenters can post and which cannot?

    All for a blog whose raison d'etre is to slag on some shallow fameballs?

    And some of us like to post anonymously. The reason? A degree of proivacy on the internet is a good thing. Not everything one doe sin their personal life would they share with everyone in their life. Some people are you Friday night friends. Some people are your boss.

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  100. Well, yesterday everyone was patting themselves on the back for not cursing at someone's request, so I thought I'd give it a try. It seems like everyone here wants everyone else to respect what they have to say, but don't want to have to be respectful of other people. Rather Julia-esque. Originally this site had a lot of people who disliked NS for *real* reasons, not just because it was fun to join an internet pile-on (although it is), so I guess that makes a difference.

    Anon 2:13 -- why is it funny? I obviously have a terrible sense of humor (I'm sure you'd all agree), because I think it's kind of stupid. And the person who explained it apparently doesn't even get it, because he misspelled "cankles" (it's a portmanteau of "calf" and "ankle").

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  101. Anon 2:27... we are gonna need more information PLEASE!

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  102. if we're going to start implementing commenting rules, can we ask that people not bash each other? if you have issues with one of the other commenters, take is somewhere else. i come here to read funny snark, not drama within the comments. it's distracting.

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  103. Flatface, you're always funny, always make excellent point, and never need to be stupid or uselessly offensive.

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  104. You have GOT TO BE kidding me that she took a shot at Alex and his GF on Urban Dictionary. Holy shit. This girl is as trashy and low-rent as they come. My God.

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  105. And that is one hella ugly yellow hairband.

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  106. anon 2:31

    .... awwww

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  107. My question is - how does Julia get a date? Any guy with an internet connection would surely be able to find out enough to be little scared to go out with her. Doesn't everyone Google their dates these days?

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  108. No way. Absolutely not. The price of having a comment-friendly blog is that some people aren't gonna like some of the things other people say.

    You're misunderstanding me. Or maybe I didn't explain myself well. I believe this should be a comment-friendly blog. I think people should be able to say whatever they hell they want. I believe people should be able to say something offends them.

    What I don't agree with is allowing people to speak freely one day, then have a shitstorm in the comments slamming them. Either certain subjects are able to be discussed or they aren't and it shouldn't be conditional. But to get into it every other day and have the same argument be used just gets tiring.

    The other thing I don't agree with is people trying to direct the comments. Some stuff might offend you. Okay. But other stuff probably won't. Take the good with the bad or don't read.

    Or perhaps you'd like it if we elected representatives to a committee? And that committee could draft a constitution, with by-laws, for conduct on the site? And among themselves the committee could elect an executive, who could rule which comments are kosher and which are not? And which commenters can post and which cannot?

    I'd love to know which comments are written by Julia. Baugher has all of her IP addresses. I'd also like to curtail the multiple personality thing that trolls use as a way to direct attention to themselves or their blogs.

    I don't want to police the comments. But I do like a sense of order and consistency.

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  109. christan,
    You have a good point about some threads degenerating into gang warfare. I would point out that that often happens, from sports websites to gawker to financial chat rooms. Oh well.

    And that can take away a little from what has been cool about this site: the level of conversation has been, on the whole, light years better than on NS. I find that both wildly ironic and kinda nice. It says something.

    But you take the good with the bad, I think. Maybe when the tone in a thread begins to head south you can chirp in with something a little more informed, or funny, or insightful. That might right the listing ship, improve the tone.

    Do it, and I'll back you up...

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  110. I wrote Mary an email about their fight, and I got a generic response back?

    "I'm glad you can relate to me and take away something from the blog.

    Best,
    Mary"

    I think their fight was fake.

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  111. Has anyone ever used the term Cankles casually in conversation then had to back up and provide a definition for it because not everyone is hip to the Cankles? People generally seem to like it!

    Anyway, what I would give to be a fly on the wall at the next Mary/Julia in person meeting!

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  112. My only suggestion/request is that those who wish to post anonymously choose a name and use it consistently.

    It doesn't have to be anything that identifies you, because most of us have privacy concerns and aren't interested in famewhoring, just something that you use each time you post. Otherwise, I can't believe that I'm the only one who gets confused by multiple people posting as Anonymous with various viewpoints.

    Maybe pick a name mocking something about Julia or NS? Again, just a request, not trying to boss around anyone.

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  113. I suspected that the fight was fake. Which, staging fake fights is even worse than having a real fight in the first place. Either scenario demonstrates that these girls have not mentally matured since middle school, which is why I want to regress to a being a playground bitch and throw sand in their face.

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  114. I'm not usually a fan of Mary's style, but I agree that Julia looks BETTER in both outfits than she normally does. Though the yellow headband is distracting and doesn't really coordinate. (Off-topic: Seriously, what is with JA's style?? It's starting to look costume-y and kind of weird. My friends and I have a theory that people keep dressing in the style of their favorite period of their life, which for most young people, is, uh, the present. But for JA, it seems to be age 6-8. Bizarre.) Even if Mary's style usually isn't my cup of tea, I give her props for at least taking a risk and changing things up. And yeah, the biggest irony is that JA actually looks cute with the left side of her face, the glasses and the looser-fitting dress. I would be pissed if I was Mary too! It's like JA is trying to passive aggresively dust her off. They should just have a wrestling match on the next episode.

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  115. Would Julia really participate in staging something that makes her look mean and bitchy?

    This is an image-obsessed woman who has spent the last few years of her life making people believe that she has only one side to her face!

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  116. someone should add JAnkles to urban dictionary. Then we can all vote it up :)

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  117. "Jankles" doesn't even make sense. It sounds nothing like her name or anything else. What is the point of it? So are you just using it now to annoy a fellow commenter? Awesome alternative community you've formed!

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  118. Hmm you mean NS Girls read this blog?

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  119. anon 329
    jankles sounds like cankles... excpet it has JA in it too. Get it? Julia Allison?
    I actually do think that's funny. Mean funny. But funny.

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  120. Still seems pretty stupid to me, but I guess if that's all you've got against these girls, go for it.

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  121. Why is everyone so obsessed with "jankles," anyway? Isn't it just a play on "cankles"? And what's so freaking offensive about that word?

    Plenty of thin people have cankles. Many overweight people do not. I'm seriously confused. I get being offended by "cunt" and the like...but really.

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  122. Why does jankles rankle you so?February 11, 2009 at 4:11 PM

    Anonymous person/people offended by Jankles - can you please explain as to why you are SO offended by that word?

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  123. Because "cankles" is a word made up specifically to put down women's bodies. I've never heard it used in reference to a man.

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  124. People who are still using it, keep it up. I've tried to be courteous and accountable for my opinions. You've proven yourself to be childish asses who feel the need to be spiteful toward anonymous commenters on the internet who have done nothing you know of except disagree with you. Point: me!

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  125. Why does jankles rankle you so?February 11, 2009 at 4:28 PM

    Blubber butt. Thunder thighs. Cottage cheese butt. These are also words used to put down women's bodies but these words - and jankles - aren't exactly burning my retinas with their offensiveness displayed on my computer screen. If you're SO bothered to the point of posting endlessly about it, perhaps you should not visit a decidedly very unserious site who's entire existence is based on putting down women. See the disconnect?

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  126. No. This site is based on pointing out the myriad flaws in specific women and their business. Not about insulting any particular or general woman's bodies. Maybe you're not sensitive to sexism for whatever reason -- maybe you're a man -- but some people are. I'm sorry you don't see how damaging rhetoric like that is.

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  127. Why does jankles rankle you so?February 11, 2009 at 4:45 PM

    I am a woman and this rhetoric doesn't bother me because I have the mental capacity to not let it bother me. Choosing your battles and all that. If you are that delicate and sensitive to sexism and want to make eradicating the word jankles from the internet your personal battle, then go for it.

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  128. I just asked people politely to stop because it offended me, and as both a linguist and a feminist I happen to understand how powerful language can be, particularly if it's already taken hold on a mob-mentality-based website. I'm not delicate, but I am sensitive to sexism, and if I can let some people know that I find something objectionable, I will. Everybody was very excited yesterday about honoring someone's request to alter their language a little, so I thought people might be decent about another request. They weren't.

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  129. There is a difference between "letting [language] both [you]" and seeing how it's damaging in a non-personal sense.

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  130. Sorry, "both" should be "bother."

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  131. Anon @ 4:22, I don't know about anyone else, but I have a few derisive nicknames for male bodies. I don't say them aloud, but I sometimes think them to myself when I see one.

    If anyone wants to know, it usually has to do with men whose asses have disappeared.

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  132. Haha! Frankly I'd like to hear them. The fact is men's identities aren't wrapped up in their appearances nearly to the extent women's are. And men don't have the same ridiculous expectations from society about their bodies (don't act like you work on it, but WORK ON IT; thin=healthy; have big boobs, but don't act like a slut about it, etc.), so it's just not comparable.

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  133. Why does jankles rankle you so?February 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM

    Polite? HA! You're flooding the commenting thread to the point of inciting backlash and annoyance, which completely weakens your plea. You made your point and people didn't agree with you - move on. If you are a linguist, I'd think that you would also understand how powerful debating your argument with a little humor and grace can be, but it seems like both humor and grace have eluded you.

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  134. ZZZZZZZZZZZZ

    Can you guys carry on this Women's Studies 101 debate somewhere else please?

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  135. Well I can certainly tell you've resorted to the "tricks" of a person who has no argument left. Ad hominem attacks, etc.

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  136. I have to disagree. So many men are so incredibly vain and have such fragile egos about their bodies.

    Even at the gym, they are - by far - the ones who spend the most time staring at themselves in the mirrors.

    Many men freak out over gray hair and losing their hair. Look at how much they spend on Rogaine and hair replacement procedures.

    Also, their identities are far more wrapped up in their careers and ability to provide for a family than most women.

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  137. Attacking the arguer for arguing. I mean, really? You're here just as well as I am.

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  138. Why does jankles rankle you so?February 11, 2009 at 5:03 PM

    I still have "argument left" I am just choosing not to waste any more of my time with some internet troll debating the word jankles. Goodbye!

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  139. NonE, you're right on the last point, but I'm not going to start up *another* debate about something so facile -- there's just no comparing the societal pressures women face about their appearances to those men face. You can google it I'm sure if you care.

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  140. Hahaha. Well, thanks for coming back to bother to say goodbye even though you're not wasting your time anymore!

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  141. I don't want to continue this melee any longer, but me thinks the person with the issues with Jankles and actually Jankles Baugher herself.

    I prefer Jackles because it includes JA: and remnants of the word "cackle" but then also conjures a jackal, the wild dog.

    Now! Look here -- i just linked JA to a witch and a dog!

    And i am a feminist. Which is why i have a problem with Jackles and her ilk in the first place. Voila!

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  142. If I've never noticed whether or not JA has cankles, but she really, really rankles* me, am I allowed to call her Jankles? Because I'm gonna.

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